to steve's point he is right. the statistics between san francisco and l.a., san francisco did great. however, so you understand the full story, there are other airports that tried where it didn't come out any worse but not so good. look, if you look into what a lot of the aviation experts have to say, basically what they tell us is it's a nicer wrapper around the same product. you still have government supervisors, identical technology, identical procedures, they don't seem to think it's going to save us that much money. so, just a question of whose pocket the paycheck is coming out of. >> it's not only saving, it's improving efficiency. privatization bet center >> hand it to the airlines. if american airlines doesn't protect its passengers it goes out of business. if the tsa doesn't protect the passengers it gets more funding. we have an incentive problem. in the private sector you are forced to do better. in the government you are rewarded. >> bill, do incentives matter here as they do most places? >> maybe but